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Poll: Should the administrator be allowed to "hellban" users that persistently and grievously break the rules of the forum?
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Persistant Personal Attacks
#21
Bring the comments back. It's no fun getting rep points if you don't know who is giving them!

Also, check out the weird code error generated at the top of the page when you click on the rep number.
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#22
Ditto
 
Civil disobedience is patriotic 
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#23
And, there you have it - some want those turned off, and others want them left on.

Meanwhile, all of 5 people have voted on the hellbanning question.

This is why sometimes even democracy doesn't work, and it's better to just set some rules and enforce them.

 
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#24
OK, are your comments back?
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#25
(03-18-2014, 06:43 PM)'Liberty' Wrote: OK, are your comments back?

 
Yes. Thank you, Oh great and powerful Oz!

 
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#26
Great and Powerful Azz is OK too.  But just me.  Not anyone else.  [img]images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
 
Quote:This is why sometimes even democracy doesn't work, and it's better to just set some rules and enforce them.
Democracy is making the rules.   



 
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#27
Not when 5 people vote in the poll.

That's not the idea of democracy - the idea is that a large percentage of people express their views.  Then we have a majority opinion.  But, as I've said, I thought that libertarians didn't like the idea of a sizeable minority being outvoted by the majority.

Even operating as it ought to operate, with 100% participation, and informed voters, that's still a very real possibility with a democratic system.

When 5 people vote (or even half, as I had with my polls), we have nowhere near the kind of participation needed for a democratic outcome.

This is a microcosm of a big problem with turnout in our elections, both locally and nationally.  We have almost half of eligible voters simply not voting at all.

 
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#28
Quote:I thought that libertarians didn't like the idea of a sizeable minority being outvoted by the majority.

Libertarians don't generally hold that stance.  You hold elections, people vote - that's how our government is set up.  Win some, lose some.  Do you think libertarians have a problem with being in the minority and losing?  I don't.  If you never lose, you never play.

Also, why don't you make it six?

 
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#29
Well, the other ones I've talked with seem to find the idea of majority rule quite difficult. And, they seem not to vote at all, preferring not to play a game they find distasteful.

A common example is "If two guys and a gal vote, and the guys vote that it's ok to rape the gal, does that make it right?"

I already voted in the poll - in fact I was one of the first ones to do that.

Majority rule is kind of an aggregate decision, and libertarians seem to find those problematic and prefer individual decisions. And, of course, the majority is imposing it's will on the minority, which they don't like either.



 
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#30
Quote:Well, the other ones I've talked with seem to find the idea of majority rule quite difficult. And, they seem not to vote at all, preferring not to play a game they find distasteful.
I've received no such complaints.  I encourage people to PM me with any ideas.

You can vote again if you want.  You can vote once in all polls.  Or you may abstain.  I tell you what, I'll give you a picture of a pack of smokes if you vote.  

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